Wet flies-Irish or...?

Hi mr .Ray
This kind of flies just pop-up before me eyes
Do you remember the song " Englishman in New York" Well you are our Englishman here and we have a lot of questions for you
p.s. please take no afend about that Englishman,we know that you are Welsh



and some more...dabblers?

Hi Madjoni
I know your sense of humor about your and Cousins! And you know I have skin like a rhinoceros anyway


The large photo looks like a mixture of a traditional Irish wet Mayfly and a Dabbler - both are generally used on sinking lines just when fishing subsurface and retrieved through the waves from boats on lakes or reservoirs.

The group photo has two flies with light coloured full French Partridge front hackles these are more typical Irish wet Mayfly patterns.

The Irish style wet Mayflies are very old and perhaps originate from a Hundreds or more years ago. The typical wet Irish Mayfly has a full and long front hack - usually made from natural or dyed French Partridge / gray Mallard Flank / Widgeon / Teal etc.

The Dabbler is a style 'designed' by an Irishman named Stuart McClean about 20 years old, it is said his fly tying skills at that time were not very good and he tried to tie a Mallard & Claret, a wet fly that has side by side wings made with bronze Mallard wings. I'm sure you realize that bronze Mallard is not an easy material to tie in this style and he failed to produce a well tied wing! The wings rolled around the Shank and covered (cloaked) the top half of the fly when he tied them in. He used the flies anyway and caught plenty of brown trout with them and the 'style' has become popular in recent years and many variations have been invented. Sometimes the differences between Dabblers and the traditional Irish wet Mayflies have become a bit Blurred (like the one in the photograph).

Hope that helps.

A Welshman writing to Montenegro.

Ray

hi Ray
My idea was to try this on river with floating line What you think about that ?
Small number of people from this forum use sinking line.

Madjoni
The flies are designed for casting from a boat when side Drifting with the wind - the cast is made in the direction the boat is moving ie you are casting with the wind on your back and you cast with the wind. They are retrieved at a speed slightly faster than the the speed that the boat is being moved towards the flies by the wind, if there is a decent wave these flies are retrieved back through the waves. You are covering 'new' water with each cast. They may be used with a floating line for this - the palmered hackles etc are designed to create some disturbance to imitate the Struggles of a Mayfly hatching.

I've never tried them as a 'dry' fly but have caught fish on them used wet in the large limestone lakes along the west coast of Ireland.

They would not be my choice fished as a dry fly on a river - but then the trout have not read any books and there are no rules that they follow. So give them a try: lol:

Ray

Ray Lockyer ::

- but then the trout have not read any books and there are no rules that they follow. So give them a try: lol:

Ray

I like this part the most
I understood your explanation fine....but in Montenegro is forbiden to fish from the boat.Definitly one more odd thing to you but what one can do.We have banks to try but then we are limited with casting
I 'll try them on river.I got feeling when i see good patern and I think this shall work fine

So when I write something about lake fishing I will leave out boat fishing - a whole subject in itself.

Ray

Ray Lockyer ::

So when I write something about lake fishing I will leave out boat fishing - a whole subject in itself.

Ray

No no...write it all...lows could be changed Adlist I hope

I did some more
Is this worth any?

olive



and black...

Hi Mladjen
Good first attempts at tying Dabblers - I would be happy to give them a try.

They are not the easiest of patterns to tie (lots of materials) and difficult to get to look neat and tidy - but they are designed that way to create a lot of disturbance when retreaved through the water.

Ray

Ray Lockyer ::

They are not the easiest of patterns to tie (lots of materials) and difficult to get to look neat and tidy - but they are designed that way to create a lot of disturbance when retreaved through the water.

Diolch mate
I like their profusionistic aperiance and I dont mind about tidines to much.My only concern is to make a 'lot of disturbance' in trout eyes

What a beautifull video!



P.S. Johnny, flies from video are look like your wets... Good patterns! What do you think about dry fly fishing with these wet flies? Maybe a secret weapon for nasty grayling?

Mr.Zacoola ::

Maybe a secret weapon for nasty grayling?

Well no....queen of the river is not my target
I have some stronger fighter on me mind His royal Highness mr.Strun(Salmo dentex)

Madjoni ::

His royal Highness mr.Strun(Salmo dentex)

Me too! I am ready for them, and cant wait to show them some of wet flies made by Mađoni!

Mr Zacoola
It is a beautifull video and interesting to watch.

Majoni & NikolaCG

Salmon dentex - is this the marbled tout or has it another name?

Ray

Marbled trout is Salmo marmoratus!

Salmo dentex is called "STRUN" and this is a local name, becouse this trout lives in Montenegro only, in couple rivers!

This is STRUN (salmo dentex)..